website: Add a Cuirass page.

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  • Ludovic Courtès
  • Luis Felipe
  • Mathieu Othacehe
  • zimoun
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Mathieu Othacehe wrote on 13 Jan 2021 11:54
(address . guix-patches@gnu.org)(address . luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com)
87turlumws.fsf@gnu.org
Hello,

This patch adds a Cuirass project page to the website. Luis, I used one
of your logo proposals to have a first overview. We will have to replace
it with the real logo of course.

There's a screenshot of the result attached.

Thanks,

Mathieu
Attachment: cuirass_page.png
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Luis Felipe wrote on 13 Jan 2021 16:00
(name . Mathieu Othacehe)(address . othacehe@gnu.org)(name . guix-patches@gnu.org)(address . guix-patches@gnu.org)
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On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 10:54 AM, Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> wrote:

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> Hello,
>
> This patch adds a Cuirass project page to the website. Luis, I used one
> of your logo proposals to have a first overview. We will have to replace
> it with the real logo of course.
>
> There's a screenshot of the result attached.

I see some things that could be improved:

* The description metadata in cuirass-t is the same description of the donations page. I'd probably add something like: "GNU Guix continuous integration software."

* For accessibility, every use of the name "Cuirass" should indicate the language is french (if the word does not exist in English). For example: <span lang="fr">Cuirass</span>. This way capable screen readers use the appropriate pronunciation.

* Also for accessibility, the image alt attribute should say "Cuirass", the lang attribute should be set to French, and the image itself should be wrapped in a H2 element so that the section has a heading.

Other than that, it looks good to me.
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 13 Jan 2021 16:06
Re: bug#45838: website: Add a Cuirass page.
(name . Luis Felipe)(address . luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com)
871reoanc7.fsf_-_@gnu.org
Hi,

Luis Felipe <luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com> skribis:

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> * For accessibility, every use of the name "Cuirass" should indicate the language is french (if the word does not exist in English). For example: <span lang="fr">Cuirass</span>. This way capable screen readers use the appropriate pronunciation.

Cuirass is an English word (of French/Latin ascendance I suppose).

That said, it’s almost universally disliked and switching names is one
of the recurring topics at FOSDEM. :-) Changing names is hard though,
so perhaps in the meantime the web page could just make the name less
prominent?

Either way, this patch is a nice idea, Mathieu!

Ludo’.
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Luis Felipe wrote on 13 Jan 2021 17:08
(name . Ludovic Courtès)(address . ludo@gnu.org)
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On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:06 PM, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:

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> Hi,
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> Luis Felipe luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com skribis:
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> > - For accessibility, every use of the name "Cuirass" should indicate the language is french (if the word does not exist in English). For example: <span lang="fr">Cuirass</span>. This way capable screen readers use the appropriate pronunciation.
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> Cuirass is an English word (of French/Latin ascendance I suppose).

Oh, the Merriam-Webster has this word. I used the Cambridge dictionary, which does not list it. Thanks.


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> That said, it’s almost universally disliked and switching names is one
> of the recurring topics at FOSDEM. :-) Changing names is hard though,
> so perhaps in the meantime the web page could just make the name less
> prominent?

If even more people dislike the name, I think it is a good time to consider alternatives before introducing a new image for the project.

Don't worry about the current logo. It can be modified or redone.
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Mathieu Othacehe wrote on 13 Jan 2021 17:39
(name . Luis Felipe)(address . luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com)
87ft34vlil.fsf@gnu.org
Hey Luis & Ludo,

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> If even more people dislike the name, I think it is a good time to consider alternatives before introducing a new image for the project.
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> Don't worry about the current logo. It can be modified or redone.

Thanks for commenting! As much as I would also like to change the name
of the project, I think now is maybe not the best time.

I will announce soon that NLnet will sponsor some of the work I'm doing
on Cuirass and changing the name right now could be misleading. Maybe in
a few months?

Mathieu
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Luis Felipe wrote on 13 Jan 2021 18:59
(name . Mathieu Othacehe)(address . othacehe@gnu.org)
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On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 4:39 PM, Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> wrote:

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> Thanks for commenting! As much as I would also like to change the name
> of the project, I think now is maybe not the best time.
>
> I will announce soon that NLnet will sponsor some of the work I'm doing
> on Cuirass and changing the name right now could be misleading. Maybe in
> a few months?

Ah, I see. In any case, I'll clean up the SVG file and send a patch to guix-artwork when I'm done.
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zimoun wrote on 13 Jan 2021 20:42
Re: [bug#45838] website: Add a Cuirass page.
(name . 45838@debbugs.gnu.org)(address . 45838@debbugs.gnu.org)
86sg74sjwx.fsf@gmail.com
Hi,

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 17:39, Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> wrote:
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> Hey Luis & Ludo,
>
>> If even more people dislike the name, I think it is a good time to consider alternatives before introducing a new image for the project.
>>
>> Don't worry about the current logo. It can be modified or redone.
>
> Thanks for commenting! As much as I would also like to change the name
> of the project, I think now is maybe not the best time.
>
> I will announce soon that NLnet will sponsor some of the work I'm doing
> on Cuirass and changing the name right now could be misleading. Maybe in
> a few months?

From my point of view, it is a bad idea to rename, whatever when. Even
if it is not the greatest name ever, rename would just add confusion and
I do not see any gain (except personal taste).

Why Cuirass for Continuous Integration? Why not! :-) Why Jenkins or
Hudson? Why not.


The logos are really nice! Thanks Luis.


Cheers,
simon
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Ludovic Courtès wrote on 14 Jan 2021 12:43
Re: bug#45838: website: Add a Cuirass page.
(name . Mathieu Othacehe)(address . othacehe@gnu.org)
87k0sf68wx.fsf@gnu.org
Hi,

Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> skribis:

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>> If even more people dislike the name, I think it is a good time to consider alternatives before introducing a new image for the project.
>>
>> Don't worry about the current logo. It can be modified or redone.
>
> Thanks for commenting! As much as I would also like to change the name
> of the project, I think now is maybe not the best time.
>
> I will announce soon that NLnet will sponsor some of the work I'm doing
> on Cuirass and changing the name right now could be misleading. Maybe in
> a few months?

Ah sure, makes sense! (And congrats!!)

My other suggestion is to reduce the number of occurrences of the name
“Cuirass” on this web page, using phrases such as “the continuous
integration tool”, “You-Know-What”, etc., so that the name is not too
entrenched.

But really: that’s a detail.

Thanks!

Ludo’.
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Mathieu Othacehe wrote on 14 Jan 2021 18:43
Re: [bug#45838] website: Add a Cuirass page.
(address . 45838-done@debbugs.gnu.org)(address . luis.felipe.la@protonmail.com)
87v9bzs9b4.fsf@gnu.org
Fixed Luis remarks, switched for the real logo and pushed!

Thanks,

Mathieu
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